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mpulsiv
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by mpulsiv on Thu May 18, 2023 6:16 pm
Are there any other tire pressure calculator worth reviewing besides these 4?
63 - 64 psi = www.enve.com/learn/tire-pressure
68 - 73 psi = https://axs.sram.com/guides/tire/pressure
75 - 80 psi = https://silca.cc/pages/sppc-form
68 - 88 psi = www.renehersecycles.com/tire-pressure-calculator
Don't ask me about my weight, rim internal width, type of tire (e.g., vulcanized, cotton, tubeless, tubular) riding style, etc.
Just plug in your values to compare to draw a conclusion.
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by Weenie on Thu May 18, 2023 6:16 pm
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- TLN
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by TLN on Fri May 19, 2023 6:28 am
1. 67-67
2. 65-69 (no idea why hookless and hooked show different pressure tho)
3. 69-71
4. 73-90 (never asked about hooked/hookless, 73+ is a no go on hookless).
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wheelsONfire
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by wheelsONfire on Fri May 19, 2023 6:38 am
TLN wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 6:28 am
1. 67-67
2. 65-69 (no idea why hookless and hooked show different pressure tho)
3. 69-71
4. 73-90 (never asked about hooked/hookless, 73+ is a no go on hookless).
It's really funny with the numbers.
If we measure F/R weight positioned on our bikes we'll see weight balance F/R.
Tires should be inflated accordingly.
Most have way more weight to the rear. So a front tire should have less pressure than rear.
15% is probably not even sufficent. But i've seen suggestions that it's a good starting point for a forward race position.
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- Karvalo
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by Karvalo on Fri May 19, 2023 6:41 pm
mpulsiv wrote: ↑
Thu May 18, 2023 6:16 pm
68 - 73 psi = https://axs.sram.com/guides/tire/pressure
75 - 80 psi = https://silca.cc/pages/sppc-form
Which tyre quality options did you choose? If I put 'standard' on the Zipp page it comes out with a similar offset to this, if I put 'thin' it agrees almost exactly with Silca (high quality tubeless).
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- Karvalo
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by Karvalo on Fri May 19, 2023 6:44 pm
wheelsONfire wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 6:38 am
It's really funny with the numbers.
If we measure F/R weight positioned on our bikes we'll see weight balance F/R.
Tires should be inflated accordingly.
Most have way more weight to the rear. So a front tire should have less pressure than rear.
15% is probably not even sufficent. But i've seen suggestions that it's a good starting point for a forward race position.
The front tyre also has to deal with the balance shifting under braking, where it can suddenly be taking up to 100% of the rider weight.
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by wheelsONfire on Fri May 19, 2023 8:21 pm
Karvalo wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 6:44 pm
wheelsONfire wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 6:38 am
It's really funny with the numbers.
If we measure F/R weight positioned on our bikes we'll see weight balance F/R.
Tires should be inflated accordingly.
Most have way more weight to the rear. So a front tire should have less pressure than rear.
15% is probably not even sufficent. But i've seen suggestions that it's a good starting point for a forward race position.The front tyre also has to deal with the balance shifting under braking, where it can suddenly be taking up to 100% of the rider weight.
Yupp, that is truely true.
Bikes:
Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
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- TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou on Fri May 19, 2023 8:39 pm
The parameters for each calculator make comparisons hard… SRAM told me a GP5K S TR has a standard casing, but it’s a “high-performance” tire according to Silca.
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- DaveS
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by DaveS on Sat May 20, 2023 10:06 pm
There should NOT be a big difference in the front to rear tire pressure. That goes with the outdated idea that weight balance is 40/60. The calculators often assume 48/52. Measure yours accurately, before deciding. I've had good luck with SRAM calculator. The I use 52/56 in my 28mm tires on 25mm IW rims. On 23mm rims I have 28/30mm tires and run 54/54.
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- spdntrxi
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by spdntrxi on Sat May 20, 2023 10:11 pm
I also found SRAM recommendations better for me.
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mpulsiv
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by mpulsiv on Sat May 20, 2023 10:36 pm
Here's my 02 cents:
Envy = underinflatted
Zipp/SRAM = realistic
SILCA = marginally overiflated
OEM recommendation is ridiculosuly overinflated. I'm lookng at Continental, Goodyear, Michelin, Vittoria, Veloflex, etc.
Instead of printing maximum PSI they should provide average range. Save riders from crashes due to overinflation. It's very unlikiely that a rider will buy the same brand after a nasty experience of a blowout.
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C36
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by C36 on Sun May 21, 2023 3:17 pm
mpulsiv wrote:Here's my 02 cents:
Envy = underinflatted
Zipp/SRAM = realistic
SILCA = marginally overiflatedOEM recommendation is ridiculosuly overinflated. I'm lookng at Continental, Goodyear, Michelin, Vittoria, Veloflex, etc.
Instead of printing maximum PSI they should provide average range. Save riders from crashes due to overinflation. It's very unlikiely that a rider will buy the same brand after a nasty experience of a blowout.
First it all depends what you are looking for, there is no one optimum.
There is an optimum in terms of performance (where hysteresis -rolling- losses and impedance -vibrations- are at a minimum) and a lower limit in terms of confort (were you hit the tire limits).
Zipp/sram are stuck in their 5bar/73psi limits design due to hookless and give up in performance on normal roads (mean even Movistar do not follow their recommendations!) lowering all pressures versus the performance optimal.
SRAM/Zipp also hit a tire limit since they are designed for a max working pressure sometimes lower than tires minimal recommendation.
Michelin cup 28 min pressure is min5bar/ 73psi, veloflex record 70psi, Sworks turbo is 70 psi. Conti doesn’t officially put one but customer service told me 65-70 psi depending on size. They do it based on safety to retain tire on the rim, to avoid sidewall damages…
Silca is probably the most accurate, the most precise (they cover more parameters including real tire width) in terms of performance.
Now, you loose less being slightly under than over, particularly if roads is worse than expected.
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- DaveS
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by DaveS on Sun May 21, 2023 9:35 pm
Zipp calculator covers any type of rim size and tubed, hooked tubeless or hookless tubeless. The pressure recommendation went! from 62 to 52, when I switched from 19mm IW hooked tubeless to 25mm hookless rims. My latest two sets of BTLOS wheels are 25mm IW hookless with no rim tape required.
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- MikeD
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by MikeD on Sun May 21, 2023 10:24 pm
Silca is the most sophisticated. As far as I know, it's the only one that includes breakpoint pressure/surface impedance research data in the calculations. Those pressures might not give you the most comfortable ride or might not handle the best on sketchy surfaces, but should get you closer in terms of finding the lowest rolling resistance pressure. To me, judging a tire pressure calculator based on what is closest to the pressures that you like/use is faulty reasoning, except if you don't consider optimum rolling resistance the most important criterion. For road riding on dry pavement, I don't even deviate from the Silca values.
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- TLN
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by TLN on Mon May 22, 2023 12:14 am
mpulsiv wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 10:36 pm
Here's my 02 cents:
Envy = underinflatted
Zipp/SRAM = realistic
SILCA = marginally overiflatedOEM recommendation is ridiculosuly overinflated. I'm lookng at Continental, Goodyear, Michelin, Vittoria, Veloflex, etc.
Instead of printing maximum PSI they should provide average range. Save riders from crashes due to overinflation. It's very unlikiely that a rider will buy the same brand after a nasty experience of a blowout.
Well. other part of equation is tires.
ReneHerse is only asking for tire width and system (bike + rider). Does it mean I have to run same pressure for 28c on 17internal rims vs 25mm internal rims? Visually, latter are 2-3x more volume.
Another one is: SRAMs tire casing. How do I know what kind of casing is there? Corsa 2.0 TLR is lightweight or standart. Does Gp5k clincher and GP5k S TR have same casing? What about "durable" versions of leading tires, i.e. Corsa Control or GP5k AS TR.
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by Weenie on Mon May 22, 2023 12:14 am
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- BigBoyND
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by BigBoyND on Mon May 22, 2023 5:30 am
In a recent podcast, Josh said the Silca number is a maximum. That would explain why it is a bit higher than the others.
Sram having a different number for hooked and hookless is convenient. Of course they give hookless a lower "optimal" pressure when their hookless wheels have a max pressure that will end up being below optimal on smoother surfaces.
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